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Fran Ridge |
ANOMALOUS STRUCTURES IN
PARACELSUS "C" ?
M118769870L
/ A DISCOVERY REPORT
"If aliens used lunar material as a resource, they may have carried out mining or quarrying activities, or even have built large structures that could still be detected from photographic surveys. The main difficulty in identifying the scars of major geo-engineering work would be to distinguish them from naturally occurring features. A round open-cast mine, for example, may after some millions of years come to resemble an impact crater or collapsed lava tube at first sight, and only a careful analysis of the topography might reveal signs of artificiality. Excavations with more distinctive topography (spirals, rectangles, etc.) would be more conspicuous. Because we have no idea of the motives, capabilities or agenda of a very advanced alien technological community, we cannot guess what form of surface modification might ensue from an alien presence, even a fleeting one, on the moon. It therefore pays to be as broad as possible when seeking signs of past geo-engineering activity."There has been a lot of controversy for the last few decades about such structures on the Moon, but always a reasonable doubt. The objects in Paracelsus C could be an important discovery, but most likely the only way to settle the issue scientifically would be an amazing trip back to the Moon, but this time with an unmanned lunar rover. A manned mission would simply be too dangerous. You see, Paracelsus C lies on the BACK side. But I think Sagan would have given a thumbs up.
Carlotto: "Not towers, I agree. But they are interesting features. Great that you found them at LRO."However, Mark was unable to help us on the analysis at that time, but has since helped us file an analysis which is a separate report. Mike Swords popped the obvious question regarding this discovery.
Swords: "So, just how big are the structures?"The first big lead in the analysis came from Brad Sparks.
Sparks:
"A degree of selenographic longitude is 28 km at the 21.64 degs latitude and the strip image is supposed to be 0.09 deg longitude wide hence about 2,500 meters wide. Measuring with my ruler, the longest object image is about 2.3% of the 2500 m width or about 60 meters (200 ft) long. The smaller one is 2/3 of the longer one, or about 40 meters (130 ft) long....The craters are almost half filled with shadow so I am guessing that sun's elevation angle is maybe about 20 degs so the approximately 40-meter long shadow cast by the upper (smaller) object would correspond to an object height of roughly one-third or say 15 meters or so. The longer object is casting less of a shadow, about 30 m long so it would be about 10 m high."
Swords:
"The small size makes these interesting. Had they been miles long I'd have pretty much lost interest. The littlest thing {the 'right angle' between the two larger shadow-throwing things} intrigues me, as it could be that looking at it you'd see an artificial-looking angular "wall" rising to a sharp point ... maybe....Be nice to get other Sun angles."
David Williams:"It certainly is an interesting looking feature. I would guess that NASA is more focused on two types of areas for future rover exploration. Those would be areas that show signs of possible near-surface water ice, such as the deep craters near the poles, and those that show evidence of deep penetration by impacts, such as the South Pole Aitken Basin, where they would want to study deep crustal and possibly mantle material. At least that’s my best understanding of the types of things they are concentrating on right now." (NASA Space Science Data Coordinated Archive, Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD.)
Paul Davies, ASU:
"Large-scale mineral processing or geo-engineering: Mining or quarrying could leave scars that would persist for geological times, although the evidence may well by now be buried beneath overlaying strata (just as the 65 million year old Chixculub impact crater, associated with the death of the dinosaurs, is no longer visible). But buried quarries or mineral dumps could still be revealed from geological surveys. Quarrying or construction on the moon or asteroids would persist conspicuously for much longer, and scrutiny of the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter data would be a useful exercise. Exotic technologies, such as those exploiting magnetic monopoles or dark matter energy sources, might leave distinctive microscopic traces in the geological record, such as tracks in mica."
Greg Orme:
If you drop something into a pool of water, you will get a rebound effect in the middle where the object was dropped, and then waves will spread out around it. This rebound effect in the middle is the same phenomenon that causes central peaks in craters.
Fran Ridge:
Greg, You missed the most important part of the information regarding central peak formation. The difference is just the scale: An impact that forms a >~15-km-diameter crater on the moon will cause the rock to act like the liquid to the point that you get the rebound effect and form a central peak. Smaller craters on the moon will not have central peaks, and larger craters above ~120 km will form a peak-ring. The transition diameter for these features -- a simple, bowl-shaped crater; a "complex" crater with a central peak; a peak-ring crater -- is inversely proportional to gravity. So, on Earth, the transition diameters are smaller -- you only need to get a ~3-4-km-diameter crater before you can form central peaks. On Mars, the transition diameter is around 6 km. To a lesser extent, target material strength will affect the transition diameter, as well. But in the end, the central peaks are formed by rock rebounding, being pushed back up by the strength of the underlying rock after the initial impact event. Central peak formation happens within minutes of the impact itself, even in craters 10s-km across. The Paracelsus C objects are too small and within too small an area to be parts of central peaks.
Objects "appear" to be the center of activity.
Ananda Sirisena:
One needs to look at the complete context of the images of these objects. They are not in the center of the Paracelsus C but in the south-west quadrant of the whole crater. They are certainly worthy of further investigation. One finds "natural" rocks in the middle of craters, generally. Any advanced race can modify "natural" objects to suit a purpose, such as we do when we make tunnels through mountains. That does not mean the mountain is "not natural", just the tunnel is artificial. So our lines of detecting natural/artificial features can be a very complex science.
Fran Ridge:
Don't forget that while the anomalies are not in the center of Paracelsus C (which is 24 km wide BTW), they ARE almost dead center in a shallow bowl-shaped area that to me reminds me of a construction site. And the crater to the left has some anomalous detail we haven't gotten into yet. When Rich Vitello and Rob Duvall and I initially spent considerable time on phone conversations regarding this find in early June, this area and the crater were part of that discussion. After that (and for many weeks) all the attention was focused on the 150 meter wide area of the structures themselves. I am still very interested in this scene.
Since this discovery report was written, besides the analysis paper (by Dr. Mark Carlotto, Fran Ridge & Ananada Sirisena), I have discovered a number of interesting images, reports, and papers concerning exposed and collapsed lava tubes. My attention was then redirected at the anomalies at Paracelsus C with the possibility of surfaced ends of lava tubes, but there does not appear to be any evidence of LTs in the region to start with. And the two anomalies being almost dead center of a shallow bowl-shaped cleared area still stirs my interest.
Be advised that since the analysis paper was drawn up the "flyovers" listed below may not be active links.
=====================================================================================================FLYOVERS BY DR. MARK CARLOTTO
The two YouTube "flyovers" and 'image analysis' are linked below, as well as our official analysis.3D View of Paracelsus C in M-frame M118769870L
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdUV-MhN-0
"Creased structure" in M frame M1168450258L
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScvEVRcLazA
"Image Analysis of Unusual Lunar Structures in Paracelsus C"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL5McOJT2Gk&feature=youtu.be
Our analysis paper (by Mark Carlotto, Fran Ridge & Ananda Sirisena)
Analysis_of_Unusual_Structures_on_the_Far_Side_of_the_Moon_in_the_Crater_Paracelsus (ResearchGate)